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Maurice Ali



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2026 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well - his didn't take long:



"Dear SOCAN Members,

Today, SOCAN filed a lawsuit against Suno Inc.

SOCAN is filing this claim to ensure that songwriters, composers, and music publishers are able to decide when and how their music is used by AI services, that they are paid when their music is used, and that AI services understand that there are consequences when they use music without permission.

Copyright does not stop innovation. The laws that protect songwriters, composers, and music publishers apply equally in the AI era.

SOCAN’s claim refers specifically to a sample of 150 outputs that contain the entirety, or a substantial part, of songs in SOCAN’s repertoire.

Because the legal process requires that we refer to specific infringements, the claim also includes the names of certain members whose works we indicate have been infringed by Suno.

To be clear, however, this legal action has been brought by SOCAN, on behalf of all our members, in our role as a collective management organization. No individual songwriter, composer, or music publisher is a party to the proceeding, and members are not required to take any action.

You can listen to examples of the alleged infringing outputs, read the statement of claim, FAQs, and press release, and get more information about the lawsuit at www.socan.com/socan-ai/ai-lawsuit.

Legal proceedings can take time, and we will be limited in terms of what we can share during the process. However, we are committed to keeping members informed and will provide updates when possible."



From Socan and I'll have more later.
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Maurice Ali



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2026 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So SOCAN, after embracing AI use in song making is now going nuclear on the site SUNO for creating AI music!



It's better late than never I suppose.



If you are a creator you had better watch out for copyright violations if you use AI in your songs. I keep wondering what happens with the art work and literary works, I'm just saying that you may - as a musician - want to go back to the traditional methods of music production. At the very least to avoid that AI material tag being placed on things lately. I doubt they will go after every "musician" that uses AI - but tagging music with AI is a very real possibility and that tag may be objectionable to the listener, if not getting your music booted from platforms because of the legal liability to the platforms for having it on there. Something to think about.



In other news:




The other card at the event!



The guy I used for business cards and some issues of The Fortress is on vacation till the 15th, so I have to make my Positive Mandate business cards elsewhere. So far I have the basic files in photoshop and working on them now. I also have Illustrator for vector based files but I'll just stay with PhotoShop for now. I could submit on Friday but it's better to just submit on Tuesday (it is a long weekend here) as that gives me the weekend to tweak it.



Then there are the VIP envelopes. All of this and probably nothing happens - but an evening event the night before the big speeches and start of General Assembly is an opportunity I have to take seriously!




Goodnight.....
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2026 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish I had more time to write - anyway...



It always amazes me how some relatively intelligent people can embrace the idea that we have no self-determination in our lives.


When I was in university taking ohilosophy, I was mostly interested in limits. I took the hardest undergraduate course (third or year symbolic logic) by a man who studied directly under Karl Popper and is listed in Canada's "Who's Who". Anyway a big part of it's as Godel's Proof which I was the only one in the class who understood it and got an "A" by default (the distain this man had toward the other students was actually quite funny - but I digress). Basically the proof put limits on consistency and completeness in a system complex enough to hold an arithmetic. Eventually having the arithmetic talk about itself and thus come to some conclusions - if that makes any sense.







Godel's Proof was to me more of a statement on a human's ability to reason and thus why absolute statements on causality and self-determination are pure folly. We just don't have the mind to make that call - but we can prove that we do not have the mind to make that call! So we don't know.



Anthropologists stated predictably what would happen to me and they were absolutely right. A brown kid growing up where I did had no chance at anything no matter how intelligent or dynamic he would be. No women or dating or family - all would be denied. But their predictions were not absolute! However, taking myself out of the environment where they made their predictions - and into an international environment - my life changed on a dime! All this just to show you how I broke the predictions by anthropologists who were mostly right. But I change things and continued on with my own self-determination in my own way. Today I live a duality of lives and nobody seems to see the issue with me living in the place I call home.....



Anyway, I'm out of time, but there is kind of proof that our lives are what they are -but could be changed. You saw this yourself in the 20 plus year blog. And now I'm marauding around the globe trying to change things with the Worldwide Vote and Positive Mandate for Humanity. From one chance out of billions to now - one chance out of three to change the world! All because I knew true causality was not the truth and that we probably have self-determination and thus are responsible for our actions - on all sides.....




Goodnight.....





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